On October 23rd, the United Methodist Church (UMC) General Commission on Archives and History (GCAH) will host a kickoff celebration on the New Jersey campus of UMC-affiliated Drew University for the new Center for LGBTQ+ United Methodist Heritage.
Since the latest UMC General Conference, the denomination has defended its newly permissive sexual ethic as merely a neutral position. Although not forced, members are free, UMC officials insist, to support and engage in LGBTQ activity without violating biblical principles.
Despite these claims, the UMC is decidedly not “neutral” in its approach and celebration of the LGBTQ practices.
Summarized by United Methodist Communications official The Rev. Taylor W. Burton Edwards, at the 2020/2024 General Conference, delegates lifted mandatory prohibitions in the denomination’s Book of Discipline. Yet, “Discretion remains.” Burton Edwards claims the stance to be “neutral” because the UMC “does not actively approve homosexual relations.” It merely allows them.
However, the new LGBTQ center clearly approves of homosexual relations with no semblance of neutrality. Framing the celebration, Dr. Ashley Boggan, GCAH general secretary, claims the purpose of the new center will be to “intentionally collect, preserve and share Queer Methodist history.” Furthermore, “We celebrate that we are finally living into our true identity as people called United Methodists” (emphasis added). That an embrace of an LGBTQ identity can be a true identity, that is given by God, is by no means a merely neutral claim.
Instead, the UMC seems ready to put an end to orthodoxy. Already, only a few months after the General Conference, the UMC’s actions suggest they wish to fulfill Richard John Neuhaus’s Law: “Where orthodoxy is optional, orthodoxy will sooner or later be proscribed.” The UMC cajoles members by stating the shift as merely an option while not tolerating the option to discourage LGBTQ practices. Returning to Edwards, the current Social Principles for United Methodists “implore families and churches not to reject or condemn lesbian and gay members and friends.” At the same time it promotes the traditional ethic and the LGBTQ ethic as equal options, it attempts to shield one from criticism. Orthodoxy remains an option only insofar as it does not propose that it is normative for others.
Additionally, the GCAH receives its funding, in part, from church apportionments. Even if you and your local church disagree with the LGBTQ celebration and new sexual ethic permitted by the latest General Conference, your apportionments are being used to promote this celebration. Church members and local churches, then, are not given the choice to support gay marriage; their apportionments are being used for its celebration regardless.
If the language and events themselves were not enough to remove any doubt about the UMC’s non-neutral stance, the kickoff also includes a film screening designed to re-write the Church’s sexual teachings. The documentary, 1946, asks “What if the word ‘homosexual’ was never meant to be in the Bible?” From there, it claims to chronicle how a mistranslation “changed the course of modern history.” This screening serves as another example of the UMC attempting to revise church history to discredit orthodox teachings.
Even if granting the film is correct that the word “homosexual” does not belong in its specific New Testament passage, the Christian sexual ethic is not founded merely on the use of one word as the film suggests. The filmmakers and UMC at large would need to confront the Genesis creation account, Levitical laws, Jesus’s teachings about marriage, and numerous other passages throughout both the Old Testament and New Testament. By embracing 1946, the UMC promulgates the idea that LGBTQ “prejudice” is an ill-founded, modern bias with no theological foundation. If desiring to change long-standing doctrines of the church, the UMC ought to confront them in good-faith as presented in scripture instead of 1946’s straw man depiction of the Christian sexual ethic.
While not entirely a new development, the launch of Center for LGBTQ+ United Methodist Heritage again demonstrates the UMC’s inconsistencies between idea and application. The UMC urges its members and other Churches to believe they are not discrediting orthodox beliefs. Instead, they are simply expanding the teaching to be more inclusive and loving. Nevertheless, they use apportionments to promote LGBTQ practices, they support a film that attacks the traditional sexual ethic without reference to the ideas forming it, and they tolerate orthodox doctrine only when it does not propose normative beliefs.
Under the guise of neutrality and inclusivity, the UMC chips away at the foundational beliefs of the church. While claiming to be merely another option for which individual churches can decide for themselves, the UMC strongly discourages opposition to the new ethic. At least in their approach, the UMC seem to be proving Neuhaus’s words: “the old orthodoxy that is optional is proscribed by the new orthodoxy, which is never optional.”
Comment by Thomas on October 10, 2024 at 3:14 pm
A fake Church on his pathway to destruction. It won`t be missed.
Comment by Cheryl Corney on October 10, 2024 at 3:57 pm
How is it “loving” to not warn people of the danger of their behavior to their relationship to God? We lovingly warn our children not to cross the road without looking both ways, why can’t we lovingly warn LGBTQ+ people about about their impending danger if they continue unrepentantly. It seems the UMC is reluctant to recognize sin for what is it & its remedy that begins with repentance.
Comment by Tim on October 10, 2024 at 4:49 pm
Cheryl, scripture is very clear that it’s not our role to judge other people. In fact this is at the heart of the parable of the wheat and the weeds. It is for God and the angels to decide who is behaving morally and who isn’t, not us.
As for this article, I’m not sure what to say. No one is being forced to go to the center, listen to the center, or have anything to do with the center. The offense seems to be that they were not allowed to prevent the center from existing. That’s hardly oppression.
As for the Social Principles… I’ll be honest brother, I implore you not to reject or condemn ANYONE. That’s not what Christians are here for.
Comment by Douglas E Ehrhardt on October 10, 2024 at 5:52 pm
Check out Ezekiel 3: 18.
Comment by MikeB on October 10, 2024 at 7:15 pm
Tim,
God and “the Angels”? Again you add all kinds of odd heresy.
Jesus is very clear that we shall indeed in every way warn others about the destruction that they are headed for. This is included in the verses that follow your favorite verse.
Matthew 7:
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
THEN SEE AND CAST out.
We are commanded to see out own sin and then see clearly our brothers and sisters sin.
You again spew your hate for those who follow Christ after being proven a liar as usual.
Comment by Tim on October 10, 2024 at 8:05 pm
Douglas
Ezekiel 3:18 is literally God telling Ezekiel specifically to be a prophet. It’s a binding commandment to Ezekiel.
Comment by MikeB on October 10, 2024 at 8:29 pm
Tim,
You, the guy who bragged how much he admires the priest in the good Samaritan story, and how you as a high-school teacher just accepted a gender confused girl’s pronoun cry for help. How you just accepted it, used your position of authority to push her further into mental illness, and gave no help to her because well you did whatever school policy required you to do?
You were too busy so you crossed to the other side of the road while she lay emotionally broken, bleeding and screaming for help, and instead of helping her up and telling her that God created her perfectly, and that he has a plan for her, that God has loved her since time itself and he makes no mistakes.
You left her bleeding and then mocked those who would care for her spiritual wounds. Then you lied about it, claimed she knew what she was doing, and called everyone else cruel?
This is who you are Tim, an abuser of truth, young girls, and the gospel.
Comment by Skipper on October 10, 2024 at 9:21 pm
Cheryl, you are so right. We have a responsibility to warn people.
Comment by LC on October 11, 2024 at 6:44 am
Tim: Our role as a church is to call for obedience to God’s
commands as contained in Scripture. As we are all broken, none of us will get it completely right–but it is our responsibility as a church to call out sin. Certainly, I see our UMC pastors doing just that for a few of our currently defined social sins (i.e., homophobia, Christian Nationalism, sexism, etc.) but not many others. It is as if the goal is to make everyone in society comfortable with themselves and their God (whoever that may be) except the right wingers, most of whom they have happily gotten rid of. The truth is that none of us should feel comfortable–we are all still sinners who need to be constantly reminded of our brokenness. That is a concept that I think most in the UMC are repulsed by — I hope the GMC can do better.
Comment by Taylor Watson Burton Edwards on October 11, 2024 at 7:36 am
My last name is Burton Edwards, not Edwards.
I stand by my assessment of the actions of the 2024 meeting of the General Conference.
Peace in Christ,
The Rev. Taylor W. Burton Edwards
Comment by Bill Smith on October 11, 2024 at 8:01 am
Sorry, Tim, we are called to Judge (Discern); Taken in isolation your reference seems to have validity however, that occurs when we pick and choose to support our desires, we must take on the entire council of God. Jesus’ command not to judge others could be the most widely quoted of His sayings, even though it is almost invariably quoted in complete disregard of its context. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). Many people use this verse in an attempt to interpret Jesus’ meaning as “You don’t have the right to tell me I’m wrong.” The Bible’s command that we do not judge others does not mean we cannot show discernment. Immediately after Jesus says, “Do not judge,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs” (Matthew 7:6). A little later in the same sermon, He says, “Watch out for false prophets. . . . By their fruit you will recognize them” (verses 15–16). How are we to discern who are the “dogs” and “pigs” and “false prophets” unless we can make a judgment call on doctrines and deeds? Jesus IS permitting us to tell right from wrong he appears to require us to do just that! Elsewhere, Jesus gives a direct command to judge: “Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly” (John 7:24). Here we have a clue as to the right judgment versus the wrong type.
Comment by Skipper on October 11, 2024 at 10:11 am
Very good Bill! When Jesus said not to judge, he was talking about judging in hypocritial manner. So many do use this to try and make it say “You don’t have the right to tell me I’m wrong.” They would like to sin in peace and not be reminded that the immoral will not be part of the Kingdom of God. But that’s reality and we have a responsibility to warn others.
Comment by James Culberson on October 11, 2024 at 11:55 am
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Comment by Jeffrey Walton on October 11, 2024 at 2:36 pm
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Comment by MikeB on October 11, 2024 at 5:35 pm
Mr. Burton Edwards,
I applaud your willingness to come over here.
I do wonder though what your foundational views of Christianity are. There is a hundred plus year problem of two sides using the same words yet meaning very different things by it.
Do you think that Christ is God directly descended to earth born of a virgin in a supernatural way, who willingly was killed as a supernatural sacrifice for the sins of you and I, so that if we believe in Him we can be saved, and then of His own will rose again 3 days later in body to be as physically alive as you or I?
It’s good to establish what we share belief in aka what our axioms are before we go into theory and proofs.
Comment by Tim on October 12, 2024 at 9:31 am
Bill
I appreciate your post and those of folks genuinely trying to be decent. And LC, I appreciate that you’re trying to help people. I guess the difficult line to find is where helping people too much becomes harassment.
I am someone in the UMC who thinks the split can ultimately be a good thing because the underlying issue is just something we don’t agree about. By my (and many others) reading of Scripture nearly every reference to the homosexual act is tied to some other obvious sin like rape, child abuse, pagan worship, or is Paul mocking divisive people in churches telling them to stop accusing people of things thet both do. The idea of homosexuality as a biological construct does not appear, and that’s why the mistranslation of the RSV was so significant.
But you don’t agree. I’m not going to win that fight. I do hope the GMC is the solution you are looking for and that it can do great things in this world.
That said, the UMC General Conference has the right to create bodies that it feels are doing God’s work. The Matthew 7:17 quote is telling… those of us who affirm our LGBT siblings feel that it justifies our strong conviction that God supports them. We see the good many of them do. And no bad tree can bear good fruit.
Comment by MikeB on October 12, 2024 at 11:29 am
Tim,
“good fruit” is something only God determines, a Muslim in Saudi Arabia, a Buddhist in China, a Hindu in India all see “good” differently than you do and differently than I do. The only one who can make a primary determine if people are doing “good” is God. We can only follow his word. Again and Again scripture tells us that Man serves God, not the other way around.
As Mr. Drumm shows, the Christian ethic is based on the entire Bible, scripture handed down and understood by those it was handed to. They had no mistranslated problem, they spoke those primary languages they lived in the time where those words from God were received. It is a very shallow claim for someone to claim their interpretation is better than that passed down from the very people of the time.
You are also not being honest, you claim the real sin in some cases is Pagan worship, but you have no problem with that either. So far you have you have not actually come up with a sin that you condemn besides “Judging” (which is not a sin).
Even as you backtrack to see more reasonable (as opposed to your long history of comments hating traditional Christians) you cannot help but throw out more hateful accusations, such that traditional Christians harass homosexuals, that we break into gay bars and start throwing Holy Water on them… As if telling Bishops, Pastors and members of the Church that sins are still sins and require salvation is harassment.
The major issue is that many Progressive “Christians” are as far from Traditional Christianity as Mormons, Unitarians, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are.
You yourself have admitted that you are not judging those who call themselves Christians who believe the Old Testament is evil and they worship a female deity. That’s quite a bit further off than Mitt Romney who says Jesus Christ is his personal Lord and Savior.
As Machen said all those years ago, Progressive Christianity is a different religion that uses the same words as Traditional Christianity (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Church of the East, Nicaea).
As you again and again move further from Traditional Christianity on the basis of, “well nothing can really be known or judged about God other than what I feel” you lose out on the hope, the certainty, the salvation that has been handed down to us.
This is why Progressives detest the traditional, because we stand as a open question to your disquiet, you become convinced that if you can prove to yourself that Traditional Christians are ignorant or hateful, or just wrong as you have been told.
You do need to ask yourself why you spent months coming here to harass people who aren’t knocking down the door to your church (of course you don’t actually go to church).
You need to ask yourself why you felt the need to lie repeatedly, to tell things that were not true to try to “catch” Christians in a ethical conundrum like the Pharisees tried to catch Christ.
Comment by Skipper on October 13, 2024 at 1:00 pm
One of their Homosexual Bishops said this remembers their Queer history and will head the new center. Sounds like they want to remember those who steered them away from the church. So sad what has happened to the UMC. So glad there are good alternatives available!
Comment by Tim Mc on October 13, 2024 at 7:09 pm
We must judge where and what our money supports. If you don’t agree with where the UMC is going, in this new direction, how can you support them financially?
Comment by Td on October 14, 2024 at 12:19 pm
Hahaha! “‘the UMC “does not actively approve (sin).’ It merely allows (sin).”
It’s all okay because we aren’t actively telling people to go out and murder someone; we are simply allowing them to murder someone. No blood on our hands, i guess. Only yours. But we won’t tell you beforehand.
Comment by Tim on October 14, 2024 at 7:10 pm
Out theological task as Methodists is to understand Scripture the best we can. The Book of Discipline (paragraph 105) tells us to keep Scripture in primacy, but to use reason, experience, and tradition to understand what that Scripture means.
A enormous chunk of Methodists have arrived at the conclusion that the proscribed homosexuality in the Bible has very little to do with stable LGBT families and relationships in our churches.
Reason and experience tells us to be distrustful of theology that compares being in such a relationship to murder. It’s a cruel and absurd comparison.
Christianity isn’t supposed to be cruel. As Matthew 7:20 says, we know false prophets by the fruit they bear. A person spewing out viscous anger and venom cannot possibly speak for Christ
Comment by MikeB on October 14, 2024 at 8:24 pm
Tim Tim,
I think I multiple times compared homosexuality to being a gossip, is being a gossip like being a murderer? Sure, both are sins that place us out of the will of God. All sin falls short of God’s plan for us.
You continue to make straw man attacks on Traditional Christianity, you make up your own meaning to the term cruel, as if trying to save those rejecting Christ is cruel.
Can you be honest and tell us what you really think happens to those who do not believe in Christ?
Comment by Douglas E Ehrhardt on October 14, 2024 at 8:34 pm
A person twisting scripture cannot possibly speak for Christ. So you know stable disordered families. Do you live with them? After 20 plus years involved in ministry to people that are in sexual chaos , I honestly don’t know anybody that lives in homosexual relationships that doesn’t have much brokenness in their life. Not because of so called homophobia either. It’s a life built in lies. You could not convince me otherwise. And I grew up in a home with a gender confused sibling. The lifestyle is destructive in many ways.
Comment by Pastor Mike on October 15, 2024 at 7:29 am
Tim,
Actually, a large percentage of Methodists believe that God’s Word is truth. Over 7,500 churches, that’s 1 in 4 congregations, disaffiliated from the UMC. There are hundreds more churches that wish to leave but can’t because of financial reasons. I thank God that He led our church out in July 2023. Following our disaffiliation, absent persons returned, new members joined, and offerings increased. God’s Word is preached, taught, and lived at my church! I am so proud that our congregation took a stand and followed God!
Comment by Pastor Carl on October 15, 2024 at 5:31 pm
Pastor Mike I agree whole heartedly. We left also, I was removed from the pulpit for 6 months until the annual conference. So the appointed pastor of whom many thought to be gay, preached at the church building, the majority of the church attended service at a local restaurant with Jesus and me. Since leaving the UMC on June 3, 2023 attendance is now up 30% and giving up 50%. We are together in one accord and rarely mention homosexuality for we all agree it is sin, just as adulterous relationships and murder. Guilty of one guilty of all. Three of our new congregates have come because I officiated a funeral for a pass member who was homosexual. We preach the gospel, John 3:16 and John chapter 1. We don’t say, you can’t come because you are gay, we say come, hear the Word, listen to the call to repent, call on the name of the Lord, accept Jesus as your personal savior, turn from your evil ways and serve him. Not the world’s definition but His definition of what it means to be a true follower. We joined the Association of Independent Methodist. We spend God’s money after careful prayer, not because some conference demands it. Peace to you my Brothers in Christ. May he give you the peace that passes all understanding and may He say, well done my good and faithful servant.
Comment by Jay Westfall on October 15, 2024 at 5:32 pm
Pastor Mike,
Being part of a GMC plant, posts like yours warm my heart.
Christ be with you Pastor.
Comment by JoeR on October 15, 2024 at 5:51 pm
I will not support a movement that pushed for years to look more like the world. So thankful we left with over an 83% vote. The UMC had made their bed….
Where I attend we are stronger in prayer, serving God in more ways and doing it without the baggage that was the UMC
Comment by Tim on October 15, 2024 at 8:12 pm
Douglas
I’m sorry for the trouble in your family and will pray that you and your sibling can find peace.
PastorMike
Actually I would say that all United Methodists agree that God’s word is truth. It’s just that 3/4 of us don’t agree with you on what that word means. I’m glad to hear that yours and Pastor Carl’s churches are thriving. In large swatches of our country the GMC will be the predominant Wesleyan expression, and I don’t want that to fail.
And when some GMC children happen to find out that they’re LGBT, I hope you treat them OK. If not, they’ll be safe and welcome with us.
Comment by MikeB on October 15, 2024 at 10:25 pm
Tim,
Again with the inserting of lies and hate.
UMC attendance is down by more than 50%, since 2015, and this includes online attendance counted now.
UMC kept 75% of the church buildings, they didn’t keep 75% of the people.
Very very nasty wishing sin on peoples children and then bragging how you will encourage it.
What you say before men you say before God. But like a dog returning to its own vomit you will again return to your hate and filth.
May God have mercy on your sick perverted soul.
Comment by Tim Ware on October 16, 2024 at 12:21 am
Tim,
To be more accurate, I would suggest that the line you wrote that says, “When some GMC children happen to find out that they’re LGBT” be changed to read, “When some GMC children have been duped by others into believing they’re LGBT.” Just to be clear about what’s actually going on.
Comment by Pastor Mike on October 16, 2024 at 2:30 pm
Pastor Carl,
Thank you for those encouraging words and uplifting post brother! There have been so many pastors and laity in our local community who have come to me following our disaffiliation to thank me and our congregation for taking a stand with God! It’s wonderful that our church is no longer yoked to the UMC. We are no longer forced to send apportionments to a huge, bloated UMC bureaucracy that was out of touch with small, rural churches like mine. Now, we go to God in prayer. We make congregational decisions on who to help and what causes we will support. All offerings and other monies raised by our ministries stay local. I’ve witnessed the Holy Spirit operating mightily and I am excited where God will continue to lead our church! Blessings to all my brothers in Christ.
Comment by Pastor Mike on October 16, 2024 at 2:45 pm
Jay Westfall,
Thank you, brother, for doing that hard, and necessary Lord’s work in planting new churches! God bless you!
Comment by Thomas on October 16, 2024 at 7:06 pm
Tim, the fact that some people experience same-sex attraction doesn`t make it right. It should be sublimated on behalf of the Christian faith, who says sexuality and marriage are only possible in the sacred bond between a man and a woman. Thats the only kind of sexuality and marriage that Jesus ever spokes in the Gospels. Are you willing to correct God`s word? I`m afraid you`re not a Christian anymore, then. As for St. Paul he knew about several kinds of homosexual relationships that existed back, including homosexual “love”. Ancient Greek and Roman writers often praise same-sex “love” and sexuality. There are even “love stories between male Gods, like Apollo, and humans, like Hyacinth. Do you think the first Christians who faced this world were wrong on human sexuality and the Ancient Pagans were right? Then, I`m afraid you`re now a neopagan, not a Christian.
Comment by Thomas on October 16, 2024 at 7:22 pm
We also follow the Christian values of tolerance. I have friends, even online, who don`t live according to the Christian faith. We should pray for God to grant them that gift and not turn them away. But its up to them.
Comment by Tim on October 17, 2024 at 6:06 am
Thomas let me get this correct. I’m a neopagan because I don’t think churches are justified condemning our LGBT neighbors and siblings?
You’re talking about a topic that’s so tangential to our faith that no canonical Gospel records Jesus mentioning it once.
I can get behind your second comment though. We are called to be tolerant. And to be clear I’m here arguing these points not because I’m trying to convert evangelicals, but because this article is suggesting that my church (the UMC) is doing something untoward.
In general I’d like Christians to work together on the things we agree on and leave the rest up to God
Comment by Thomas on October 17, 2024 at 10:24 am
Marriage and sexuality tangential to our faith? They are essential. This isn`t Christian talk. Christian beliefs on marriage and sexuality have been the same since the time of Jesus for some reason. I will repeat once again what me and other people wrote: that people who are labeled under the LGBT category shouldn`t be judged by their sexuality but because of that they are called to chastity. Including people doesn`t mean including what some of them feel tempted to do. There are ministries like Courage International and Living Out who can help them on that. Catholics have the habit of praying for the conversion of sinners, so I will ask people to do that for those claiming to be Christians while staying at UMC and supporting un-Christian beliefs.
Comment by Pastor Mike on October 17, 2024 at 11:36 am
God’s Word is clear on marriage and sexuality. Marriage sanctioned by God which joins one man and one woman in a single, covenantal union as delineated by Scripture. (Gen. 2:24; Eph. 5:22-23; Mark 10:6-9; 1 Cor. 7:1-9)
God commands that no intimate sexual activity be engaged outside of marriage. Such activity is contradictory to God’s natural design and purpose of sexual activity. (Gen. 2:24; Gen. 19:5; Lev. 18:1-30; Rom. 1:26-29; 1 Cor. 5:1; 6:9-10; 1 Thess. 4:1-8; Heb. 13:4)
And finally,
God created each person male or female. These two distinct, unchangeable genders together reflect the image and nature of God, and the rejection of one’s biological gender is a rejection of the image of God within that person. (Gen. 1:26-27)
These are God’s Words, not Pastor Mike’s words. As Christians, we are to submit to the authority of our Lord God Almighty. We are to obey His Word. We are to repent of our sins, ask for forgiveness, and accept Christ as our personal Lord and Savior.
Again, it is sad that even with the UMC’s recent and (still ongoing) schism that will continue to slow roll for years to come as additional churches exit, … that even with thousands of these churches leaving, that marriage, sexuality, and following God’s Word are still argued about within the UMC rank and file. I am thankful that our church is in agreement with God’s Word, and we have moved forward doing His will. Praise God!
Comment by Tim on October 17, 2024 at 1:32 pm
No, those are Pastor Mike’s words, not God’s.
Genesis 1:26-27 says God created male and female. There’s nothing about distinct and unchangeable there.
Mark 6 talks about divorce of a heterosexual couple. It does not say other types of couples are prohibited.
Now you and your church are free to interpret these passages how you like. But God didn’t say the things you’re claiming.
Comment by MikeB on October 17, 2024 at 7:07 pm
Tim,
Do you believe in Biology?
God forbid that any student learns biology from you, the idea that human male and female is changeable…
You must think humans are clownfish…
They will think Religious people are unscientific idiots. I’m sure your class gets a laugh at how delulu you are.
Comment by Thomas on October 17, 2024 at 10:24 pm
“Be very sure of this, people never reject the Bible because they cannot understand it. They understand it only too well; they understand that it condemns their own behavior; they understand that it witnesses against their own sins, and summons them to judgment.” (J.C. Ryle)
Comment by Skipper on October 19, 2024 at 9:27 am
Tim,
United Methodists have made their own rules on sexuality and claim them as God’s rules. But the Bible is very clear that homosexuality is very wrong. Look for the truth and live like God wants us too. God loves us very much. So, do you want to please God or yourself? Go with God and you will receive His protection. If you want a good relationship with God, play by His rules. If you don’t want a good relationship with God, go by the United Methodist rules.