Rev. Dr. Warren Lathem on Methodist Changes

Methodist Voices on November 1, 2023

Rev. Dr. Warren Lathem recently posted on Facebook this reflection on Methodist changes and misplaced blame-casting, which we are reposting with permission. A retired Elder in the UMC’s North Georgia Conference, who has recently transferred into the Global Methodist Church, Lathem is the founder and President of Venezuela Now, Inc (VNI), a US non-profit supporting the ministries of the Seminario Wesleyano de Venezuela, the Wesley Medical Centers, and the Methodist Church of Venezuela. This year VNI shipped 1.25 million meals and $2.5 million worth of medicines to Venezuela. He served 18 years as Senior Minister of the Mount Pisgah UMC in Johns Creek, GA where during his tenure worship attendance grew from 75 to an average over 3,000. The former District Superintendent resides in Marietta, Georgia with Jane, his wife.

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Of late in North Georgia a number of pastors have made some complaints which include losing their home church, pastors “stealing sheep” from congregations, others “gleaning” dissatisfied members, etc. I served as a pastor for many years and understand their frustration.

As for no longer having a home church (due to disaffiliation), that is sad. What is even sadder is the separation of one group of Methodists from another has been so bitterly opposed, now the new group is considered the enemies of the old.

I served 6 different churches over the years. Two have stayed UMC and 4 have voted to disaffiliate. The two who stayed UMC are so small they did not feel they could come up with the required buyout funds. However, I have no animosity toward either of the two and would welcome the opportunity to go back and preach for either of them…but alas I have been barred from preaching in any UM church even though I served in it for 50 years.

But there is grief and pain caused by the separations. Some churches have seen a mass exit of traditional members who felt compelled to walk away from years of investment and millions of dollars put into those churches. Others who opposed disaffiliation, but lost the vote, have felt compelled to find a church which aligned with their views. One pastor lost her home church. I lost a whole Annual Conference. After 50 years it was my home much more than the home church of my first 20 years. But I realized the AC I had known was no more and it was time to move on.

Now, about the sheep stealing, ethical behavior, etc. accusation. Several thoughts come to mind.

First, members are not sheep. They are people capable of making their own decisions. They are not the sheeple some desire them to be. One cannot force anyone to stay in a voluntary organization.

Secondly, while every church I served grew in membership, some of it by transfer from other churches, I never consciously sought to steal any members. I was accused of it, but they came because they chose to, not because I went after them.

Thirdly, I lost some members in every church. Some left because they relocated. Some just dropped out. And some transferred to another church in the same community. In my last pastorate, I lost members particularly to NorthPoint and Perimeter Presbyterian churches. In every case I know of, it was because the member(s) thought some aspects of those churches were superior to the church I was serving. While I did not usually agree with their perception, I understood it was their choice. The pastors of those churches did not “steal” my members any more than I stole members from them.

Fourth, even given the above I never had a net loss in membership. I saw it as my responsibility to reach others with the Gospel and help them come to Christ and join the church. Hence, in my last church 60 percent of our new members joined by profession of faith. I noted that most, if not all of those complaining, were complaining about losing members they had inherited in the appointment, not those they had evangelized. In fact, in many of the cases I know of they have almost no record of evangelism, and often have pastoral oversight of congregations which consistently decline under their leadership.

Fifth, I inherited the majority of members in all but one of those churches. I was not responsible for them being there. But I was responsible for keeping them. They all had options of leaving to go to “a better place.” Some chose to do just that as indicated above, but never more than I received into Membership through our evangelism. Some pastors act like members are their personal property. The season of disaffiliation has shown them they do not own the members.

Sixth, none of these lamenting the loss of membership had, to my knowledge, a record of significant growth in any church they served. By significant group, I mean a minimum of five percent a year increase in membership and average worship attendance. Actually, vital, effective churches consistently grow by 10 percent a year. Has that been happening in the churches to which these pastors were assigned? Not to my knowledge.

Seventh, I noticed some churches which stayed in the denomination have not seen a major exit of members, even if a new church plant is birthed in their community. Why is that? It is at least because they have effective pastors. But it may also be because of the way they dealt with disaffiliation. They did not create enemies among their members by their heavy handed, controlling, manipulative actions. They maintained their integrity in the process. I think of churches like Roswell and Peachtree Rd. They will not suffer significant loses over the short term due to another church in their community. They are led by effective pastors. “A better thing” has not appeared in their parish.

Eighth, in spite of protestations declaring “nothing has changed” in the UMC, so many do not agree with that assessment. The most often heard phrase among them has been, “I did not leave the church, it left me.” While one may argue that is not true, it does not change their perception of the truth. Thousands have grieved the loss of their church to a theology foreign to their understanding of the Gospel.

Ninth, it would be far more beneficial to these pastors’ churches if they would simply graciously release those members who are leaving and focus on reaching new people with the Gospel. I know of a few places this is happening and very few are exiting those churches. Tenth, and finally, there is a lot of hurt on both sides of this issue. Would that we could simply extend “the right hand of fellowship” to each other and bless each other on their journey of faith. Four billion people in this world have never heard the gospel. Well over 160 million people in the US never go to church. There is plenty of work to do for all of us. Let us simply get on with reaching the lost with the Gospel, making disciples of Jesus. People will choose when given options. And where in this country are there not other options? The option before all of us is to choose love, particularly for those outside the Kingdom.

  1. Comment by Martha Berry on November 1, 2023 at 11:40 am

    Are we in competition with each other Are we not still Methodist Churches? Do we not still have the same beliefs and are still Wesleyan nd Arminian? There have been splits before both in our Church and in others. Graciously accept that we are not enemies nor are we competitors. Be kind and be gracious and accepting.

  2. Comment by Pastor Mike on November 1, 2023 at 4:47 pm

    Martha, if there is an attitude of “competition” anywhere, it seems to be among the leadership of the UMC.

    I say this because UMC leadership (the Bishops) have decided that GMC clergy will not be allowed to do ministry in any UMC church, and UMC clergy – even retired clergy – will not be allowed to do ministry in any GMC church, or they risk losing their credentials and even some conference clergy benefits!

    As far as I know (and I am now in the GMC as an ordained elder, having been an ordained elder in the UMC for several decades), the GMC has not established any policy that would limit GMC clergy from serving UMC churches.

    This “competition” and bias has been very much a one way street.

  3. Comment by Curtis Nesster on November 1, 2023 at 4:59 pm

    I have been following the goings on among Methodists and cannot understand how anyone can say the UMC and those who disaffiliate “have the same beliefs” when one disavows the cardinal beliefs of a Christian as found in the Bible, and the other affirms their belief in an Inspired, Inerrant Bible. Its like the difference between night and day!

  4. Comment by Herbert Chambers on November 3, 2023 at 1:19 pm

    Despite all the mushy grieving about just getting along, there is too vivid and glaring a difference between the GMC and UMC doctrines and practices. GMC is totally dedicated to the Word of God as found in Scripture. UMC is heretical, having betrayed and rejected His Word. It has become, for some time now, the stark example of God’s warnings concerning false teachers and doctrine. The chasm here is as deep and wide as that of the Reformation. Disaffiliation is the Reformation happening all over again and was needed just as much…maybe more. The UMC out and out betrays and rejects God’s Word. Now that is a canyon!

  5. Comment by Roger on November 3, 2023 at 6:33 pm

    The Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15: 1 – 4. and none of the current Churches preach this Gospel. If anyone preaches another gospel they are accursed per Galatians 1: 8 _ 9. In all these posts, no one mentions the LGBTQ people and their influence on unrighteousness in the Church. Paul tells us in Romans ! : 32, ” Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only only do the same, but have pleasure (applaud) in them that do them.” Paul tells us also in 1 Corinthians 5: 7, we are to “Purge out the old leaven, that you may be a “New” lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us” Separation is a necessity to stay Godly. Paul again says ” i wrote to you in an epistle, not to company with fornicators. We need to “purge” ourselves to a “New Lump”: and Gospel of Grace, and not the Gospel of the Kingdom. Jesus is not the King of the Body of Christ, He is the Head and calls us to be Ambassadors of Christ and not disciples.

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