Understanding the Traditional Plan, as Revised

on September 28, 2018

As the United Methodist Church’s specially called 2019 General Conference approaches, there has been much attention given to the so-called “One Church Plan” pushed by a liberal faction who currently holds a modest majority of the Council of Bishops (COB).

I have analyzed that plan at length in a series of articles.

It is time to give some more serious attention to the other main option, the Traditional Plan.

I have observed some liberals denounce this plan in rather extreme terms. But even this dismissive rhetoric has been extremely brief and vague, with little evidence that such critics have taken much time to seriously study this plan’s actual provisions and context.

So what’s the truth?

I am admittedly not neutral. UMAction, like other renewal groups, supports the Traditional Plan, with some important amendments that I will address below.

But I hope that this can provide a helpful, informative summary of what would be done by this proposal.

In comparing the Traditional Plan to the so-called One Church and the Connectional Conference Plans (all of which are included as alternatives in the final “Way Forward” report), a few things particularly set the Traditional Plan apart:

  • It is the only plan that fully maintains our denomination’s current policies and standards disapproving of homosexual practice, just like other forms of sex outside of marriage;
  • It is the only plan that fully respects the consciences of traditionalist United Methodists;
  • It is the only plan that offers a substantial olive branch of gracious treatment to congregations and others who strongly feel that they cannot, as a matter of conscience, remain in a denomination that adopts the rest of the plan.

I find it helpful to think of the Traditional Plan as having five basic parts:

  1. Screening for new clergy.
  2. Accountability for clergy.
  3. Accountability for bishops.
  4. Accountability for annual conferences.
  5. Gracious exits for congregations

At the outset, a few basic contextual matters need to be understood clearly. Our UMC’s governing Book of Discipline teaches that homosexual practice – as well as all other extra-marital sex – is inherently immoral, bans “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” from being clergy, forbids our ministers from performing or our congregations from hosting same-sex wedding ceremonies, and forbids the use of official denominational funds from being used “to promote the acceptance of homosexuality.” These provisions have been on the books for years, repeatedly re-affirmed by General Conference.


But the crisis that provoked the specially called 2019 General Conference came from an increasingly public and strident movement of some (by no means all) liberal United Methodists openly defying these standards. When this disobedience has been challenged, the typical response of those violating these standards has been to hide behind relatively obscure technicalities of other portions of church law, for the sake of effectively preventing these policies from being followed in some cases, particularly of the Northern and Western United States.

This has resulted in deep mistrust, congregations losing members, and guilt-by-association harm to United Methodist ministries. It has also provoked some to start asking questions like “if liberals can disobey the parts of the Discipline related to morality, why can’t we disobey the parts saying that we have to pay apportionments?” It is widely agreed that these worsening tensions are unsustainable.

The Traditional Plan would directly address the technicalities and loopholes that have recently been exploited by the disobedience movement. The Traditional Plan would NOT create any fundamentally new moral or doctrinal standards. It would NOT “kick anyone out” solely on the basis of their belief.  Rather, it would restore some integrity to our life together by ensuring that United Methodists would be bound together by a meaningful covenant. It would do this in five key ways.

First of all, it would improve the screening of candidates to become new clergy. It would basically close loopholes some dissident annual conferences have been using to defy the UMC’s longstanding ban on approving “self-avowed practicing homosexual” clergy candidates, require basic questions to be asked of all candidates, and make bishops intervene to prevent homosexually active from being ordained.

This simply prevents disobedience to the standards we have already have had in place for decades. It would have not much obvious impact on most annual conferences around the world. As for those annual conferences whose boards of ordained ministry (the main bodies charged with screening ordination candidates) have declared their open defiance of our standards, this would simply get them to do what they were supposed to have been doing all along.

Significantly, this plan does NOT force anyone to be kicked off of these boards with no choice. It does NOT even require members of these groups to agree with the UMC’s present standards on homosexuality. It does NOT exclude anyone from the privilege of such leadership roles solely on the basis of their beliefs about sexual morality. It would simply require that when the bishop assigns new members to these boards (which would normally begin in 2020), that they all be individuals who have pledged their willingness to uphold the standards and requirements of our Discipline, regardless of their personal views. This parallels the requirements we have already had in our Discipline for many years, requiring that members of a church jury be individuals willing to follow the evidence wherever it leads, and excluding prejudiced jurors who would be pre-committed to misusing their role to undermine the very standards they would be charged with upholding.

One of the petitions references “self-avowed homosexuals” as barred from ordained leadership. I have heard from a reliable source that the omission of the word “practicing” was an unintended error, and that drafters of this plan would like to see this petition amended to instead reference “self-avowed practicing homosexuals.” I strongly support this crucial amendment. I never recall hearing any leader in any of the renewal caucuses ever saying that they would want to bar someone from ordination just for being attracted to members of the same sex, if such a candidate was committed to celibacy.

Secondly, the Traditional Plan would ensure accountability for clergy who violate our standards. Liberal bishops would no longer be able to abuse their authority, as several have done in recent years, to simply dismiss complaints or announce laughable “just resolutions” to prevent any real accountability for clergy who violate our sexuality standards (or other standards). Then if a minister has been found guilty of violating our ban on performing same-sex union ceremonies, s/he must face a minimum penalty of a one-year suspension for the first offense and automatic defrocking for a second offense. This would provide a far more effective deterrent against such pastorally harmful ceremonies than some of the more token penalties (such as “24-hour suspensions”) we have recently seen in liberal regions.

For years, there was a widespread expectation, continuing today in much of the denomination, that everything outlined above was how our accountability system would function. So this part of the Traditional Plan would largely amount to restoring what the majority of United Methodists have already understood the standards of our Discipline to mean, while maintaining due-process rights.

The ways in which some liberal U.S. bishops have prevented accountability have effectively amounted to a system in which a single individual in each annual conference (the bishop) alone has the dictatorial power to decide what the standards will and will not be within each bishop’s kingdom, regardless of Scripture, the Discipline, or the mood of the annual conference. The Traditional Plan would thus restore democratic governance, by ensuring that the standards passed by our representative General Conference actually mean something.

And if a church trial very blatantly refused to uphold our biblical standards, the Traditional Plan would allow such abuses to be appealed, in extreme and carefully limited circumstances.

Thirdly, the Traditional Plan would hold bishops accountable for enforcing these standards. Again, it would remove the key loopholes and technical ambiguities that some liberal bishops have recently used to claim that they have been upholding the letter of church law while obviously undermining its spirit. So after the Traditional Plan passed, if a bishop still used his authority to enable and protect violations of our sexuality standards, it would become simpler to hold such bishops accountable for “disobedience to the order and discipline of The United Methodist Church.” Then the Traditional Plan would make it a bit easier for the global Council of Bishops to force any bishop into suspension or early retirement as a means of accountability.

While it is not widely understood, it is important to note that with the recent passage of a constitutional amendment on episcopal accountability, the Council of Bishops is already charged with establishing processes for holding individual bishops accountable on a global basis, and the Council already has the right to discipline a wayward bishop by subjecting them to suspension or early retirement, by a two-thirds vote of active bishops around the world. A key change in the Traditional Plan would be to lower the threshold needed for the bishops to punish one of their own from a two-thirds super-majority to a simple majority.

Many are dubious if the Council of Bishops can ever be trusted to hold each other accountable to our sexuality standards. It is also worth noting the systematic injustices of how the Council over-represents liberal American regions while under-representing more traditionalist regions. For example, there are now more United Methodists in central Africa (with a mere four bishops) than in the U.S. Western, North Central, and Northeastern Jurisdictions COMBINED (with a whopping 23 bishops).

As an alternative, the Rev. Dr. Maxie Dunnam, former president of Asbury Theological Seminary and honorary chairman of the Confessing Movement, has submitted a petition, as an amendment to the Traditional Plan, which would create a new global committee of non-bishops to oversee complaints against bishops for sexuality-morality matters. I strongly recommend this petition. If anyone is inclined to give our bishops one more chance, our bishops have five whole months to use the new power we have already given them to show us how serious they are about using and beginning processes to hold each other accountable. We will see by February what, if anything, they have to show for it.

Fourthly, the Traditional Plan would boldly confront the reality of how some entire annual conferences are now openly defying our sexuality standards. It would require every UMC annual conference to vote on whether or not it will comply with the Discipline’s bans on homosexually active clergy, same-sex weddings, and the use of annual conference funds “to promote the acceptance of homosexuality.” Those refusing to commit to these standards would be cut off from our denomination’s finances and prohibited from using the UMC’s official name and logo.

While this is a form of punishment, it also needs to be understood as a protection for vital United Methodist congregations, annual conferences, and ministries who are faithfully following our standards. Given the global “brand” of our denomination, any major actions of one region are widely perceived, within and beyond the UMC, as reflecting on all of us. For those with ears to hear, there is already so much harm and disruption of United Methodist ministries becoming negatively viewed, within and beyond their congregations, by the prominent public actions of United Methodist leaders elsewhere. Why should we give a “blank check” to people to publicly associate the reputation of the rest of our denomination with their promoting doctrines and practices directly contrary to those of the United Methodist Church? Why should we force faithful but financially struggling congregations to divert money from their offering plates to subsidize leaders in other regions who use those apportionment dollars to defy UMC standards? As for the ban on receiving money from such annual conferences, this prevents them from making the rest of the denomination financially dependent on them, as otherwise there could easily be situations of disobedient conferences using money as a hostage-holding weapon in attempts of coercing the rest of us into accepting bad behavior.

But such sanctions are temporary measures. Conferences that officially committed to living as something other than United Methodist would be encouraged (but NOT actually required) to take advantage of provisions in the Traditional Plan allowing them to become “self-governing Methodist churches.” If an annual conference went this route, it would still have a wide range of opportunities for continued cooperation and financial partnerships. I would expect such continued connections to be encouraged from elements on both sides. Any conference departing under these terms would be required to allow any of their congregations who wished to leave the conference and remain United Methodist.

Dunnam has another petition, which UMAction and other renewal groups support, modifying the Traditional Plan by tweaking a few details of this section. It would tighten accountability for bishops in enforcing our standards. But perhaps most significantly, this second Dunnam petition would do something tried by no other mainline denomination facing such internal conflicts. If an annual conference overwhelmingly decided that it was a theological minority unable to continue living in good conscience under the authority of our denomination, then this petition would offer the conference a one-time grant of $200,000 to help it get established as it transitioned out of the UMC. If people feel the need to part anyway, this would offer a gracious way of treating people as we ourselves would want to be treated if the shoe was on the other foot. Where else have we seen such graciousness in mainline denominational conflicts?

Fifthly, this plan would allow “gracious exits” for congregations. It would allow any group of at least 50 congregations to leave the UMC to form a self-governing Methodist church, and allow any congregation to leave the UMC later to join a self-governing Methodist church created by others. The latter could apply to a liberal congregation which felt isolated within an overwhelmingly conservative region. In such cases, departing congregations would be allowed to keep their properties, thus again sparing the UMC from recent spectacles of congregations trying to leave various denominations over sexuality controversies and then having denominational officials sue them for their property.

There has been some misunderstanding that this would open the floodgates to letting any congregation leave the UMC for any reason. But if you read the petition carefully, you will see that this is simply NOT true. 

Apart from an annual conference leaving, the Traditional Plan would allow an individual congregation to leave the UMC only if it (1) can find a self-governing Methodist church to join (so that it would not just become denominationally independent), and (2) declares that it is “in irreconcilable conflict for reasons of conscience with the doctrine or moral teachings and requirements of The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church on the issues of human sexuality, or with the way such requirements are being enforced, or with the resolution of those matters adopted by the 2019 General Conference.”

So this would NOT authorize any congregation to leave the UMC and become non-denominational or Baptist. Any departing congregations would have to remain in connection with a critical mass of other Methodist congregations. And it would NOT authorize congregations to leave over other, unrelated issues, such as disliking the personality of their bishop or feeling that apportionments are too darn high. Rather, these provisions offer only three (perhaps overlapping) permissible reasons for congregations to leave the UMC, all directly related to disagreements with denominational leaders over human sexuality.

The first of these permitted reasons for leaving sets a rather minimum standard for graciously treating others as we would want to be treated. While some proposals vary in details, this basic idea, of letting a congregation leave if it cannot live with our official standards on sexuality, has been gaining support. At the 2016 General Conference, the relevant General Conference legislative committee already PASSED a petition to allow congregations to leave the UMC and keep their property if they declare that they are “in irreconcilable conflict for reasons of conscience with the provisions of The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church on the practice of homosexuality and the blessing of homosexual unions.” This would have likely been added into our Discipline by now if the “Way Forward” proposal had not tabled this and other “sexuality-related” petitions. Meanwhile, United Methodists across the theological spectrum are coming to support such “gracious exits” for congregations who will feel unable to live with the decisions of the 2019 General Conference, as you can read about here.

The other two reasons for letting congregations leave for their property are broader than some would like and narrower than others would like.

But here is my basic perspective on these other two reasons: The remaining parts of the Traditional Plan, as revised, are so valuable and so urgently needed, that it is absolutely NOT worth sinking the whole over a few such parts. This particular part may or may not be amended out before anything is brought to a final vote, but either way, I intend to vote for the Traditional Plan, as revised. And if the Traditional Plan, as revised is adopted in a way that includes these relatively broader (but still limited) reasons for allowing congregations to leave (other than disagreement with the UMC’s official standards), then I would hope that only a small number of congregations would want to leave for the other reasons, and I would want to do what I could with the influence I have to encourage congregations to STAY in the UMC with me rather than leaving for these other reasons.

I hope that this is helpful in separating the misinformation from the truth of this restrained, reasonable plan. I invite United Methodists across our connection to join me in supporting the Traditional Plan, as revised.


  1. Comment by Josh on September 28, 2018 at 11:23 pm

    The problem is that there is no other Methodist denomination that prog/lib. folk can join if they exit the UMC. There are denominations like the UCC that would fit with their agenda and beliefs. But they are not Methodist.

    I say that if a church does not want to stay in the UMC, let them go. We should all be in the denomination because we want to. Let the chips fall where they will and begin to make agencies and ministries dependent on self funding and cooperation with local churches. Let the churches decide what ministries and agencies that they want to fund and some of this worthless fluff go the way of the dinosaur. A lot of the things that the bureaucracy has promoted has hurt local churches anyways. The people in the pew usually understand what are the most important things to invest in way better than the folks in stols.

  2. Comment by Loren Golden on September 29, 2018 at 2:17 am

    “One of the petitions references ‘self-avowed homosexuals’ as barred from ordained leadership. … (However,) the drafters of this plan would like to see this petition amended to instead reference ‘self-avowed PRACTICING homosexuals.’ I strongly support this crucial amendment. I never recall hearing any leader in any of the renewal caucuses ever saying that they would want to bar someone from ordination just for being attracted to members of the same sex, if such a candidate was committed to celibacy.”
    I must disagree with you on this point.  Homosexuality is a sin to be repented of and mortified, not a morally neutral condition of same-gender sexual attraction to be embraced and incorporated into one’s identity in Christ.  After Paul identified “men who practice homosexuality” (Gk. arsenokoitai and malakoi) among those who “will not inherit the kingdom of God”, he wrote, “And such were (Gk. æte; note the imperfect [past] tense of the verb) some of you.  But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (I Cor. 6.9-11)  In other words, among the Corinthian believers were some who used to be homosexuals, but they repented of their homosexuality and turned to Jesus Christ in faith, and now they were no longer homosexuals.  This does not mean that they did not continue struggling with same-gender sexual attraction, but they recognized it for what it was—a desire to engage in sexual intercourse with a person who was the same gender as themselves—and sought to put that desire to death.  They did not find their identity—in whole or in part—in their sinful desires.
    James explained this well when he wrote, “Let no one say when he is tempted, ‘I am being tempted by God,’ for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.  But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.  Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.” (Jas. 1.13-15)  Our hearts are corrupt.  “The intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth.” (Gen. 8.21)  “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?” (Jer. 17.9)  “What comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.  For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.  These are what defile a person.” (Mt. 15.18-20)
    All sin begins as desire in the human heart.  Again to quote James, “What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you?  Is it not this, that your passions are at war within you?  You desire and do not have, so you murder.  You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel.  You do not have, because you do not ask.  You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.” (Jas. 4.1-3)
    Sin infects every aspect of our being, especially our desires.  We want what we want, regardless of whether it is right or wrong in the sight of God.  This is why so many men in positions of prominence in the culture—inside the pale of the Church, as well as outside—have been caught up in the day of reckoning that has come with the #MeToo movement.  They wanted what they wanted, and for a time they could take it for themselves with seemingly no consequences.  But “Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.  Therefore whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed on the housetops.” (Lk. 12.2-3)
    Our identity must be found in Christ alone—not in what we do, not in our family or cultural relationships, not in our position or station in life, and certainly not in our sinful desires, for “the world is passing away along with its desires” (I Jn. 2.17).  So then, Paul enjoins us, “Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.  On account of these the wrath of God is coming.”  Rather, we are to “put off the old self with its practices and…put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.” (Col. 3.5-10)  We are to “put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.” (Rom. 13.14)
    This world is fraught with “identity politics”, wanting us to find our identity in our “sexual orientation” and in a “gender” that is not defined by having been made male (XY) or female (XX) by God, wanting us to state whether we prefer to be referred to with masculine or feminine (or neuter or plural) pronouns.  The world wants us to squeeze us into its mold of self-centeredness in all things sexual (and yet is surprised people follow that to its logical conclusion and blatantly abuse others).
    But we do not belong to this world; we belong to Christ alone.  “I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.  Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.” (Rom. 12.1-2)

  3. Comment by diaphone64 on September 29, 2018 at 12:00 pm

    Awesome response. I wish Northern Illinois clergy preached like this.

  4. Comment by Bill on September 29, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    I believe that if this plan passes and there is no accountability for how individuals believe, we are setting the stage to repeat this whole mess within ten years. If people are allowed to remain and preach and teach that homosexuality is not sinful, because they truly believe that, it will only be a matter of time before we are right back where we are now. The only way I can think of to do this is to require clergy and Bishops to sign a statement that they agree. As soon as that is suggested, the screaming will begin. If we don’t remove the cancer, it will spread. I know this sounds harsh and unloving, but I believe it is the only way to make permanent change. I really do not want to go through all of this again.

  5. Comment by William on September 30, 2018 at 9:39 am

    Exactly. We are under a traditionalists plan and have been since John Wesley founded the Methodist Church. At issue, as you point out, is enforcement in this era of open and intended defiance. Don’t know if that could be done now under enhanced enforcement in that we have likely passed the time when that could have effectively been done.

    As Thomas Lambrecht, at Good News, points out, this schism is much deeper than the issues of homosexuality and marriage.


  6. Comment by Melany Edge on October 25, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    True! If the traditional plan will not cause liberal minded clergy and bishops to exit the denomination, then we are not solving anything. I have followed this battle for 30 years and have been active in the struggle. I have seen how for example, our lay leadership classes are infiltrated with liberal, unbiblical literature, approved by area district superintendents (e.g.Adam Hamilton books for one). These folks will continue to do this. They may say they agree to uphold our discipline, but on the sidelines they will still be actively encouraging folks to go against God. It is indeed a cancer. Truly the only solution is what the Bible teaches folks…..and that is to flee from sin.

  7. Comment by Pudentiana on October 1, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    The former respondents were truly correct in that we must recognize that allowing our minds to remain corrupted is sinful. We are to have them transformed by God and reflect His pure intent for us as his children. When we ignore this, we become less like Christ.

  8. Comment by Jeffery Burk on October 1, 2018 at 11:39 pm

    I believe that homosexuality doctrine in the Book of Discipline should be entirely based on Jesus’teachings on homosexuality from the Gospels.

  9. Comment by John Smith on October 9, 2018 at 6:31 am

    This old dodge is getting boring. 1st it is standard cherry picking. 2nd it is denying the divinity of Jesus 3rd it is denying the divine inspiration of the scriptures.
    To break it down even simpler: Is Jesus God? If not who cares what he says. Is the Bible the word of God? If not, who cares what it say? If Jesus is God and the Bible is the word of God then what the Bible teaches (whether by the pen of Moses, Isiah, Amos, John, James, Peter or Paul) Jesus teaches.

  10. Comment by Jeremy Williams on February 7, 2019 at 10:14 am

    At the risk of getting sucked into a judgmental quagmire and more, let me offer that in terms of theology, one cannot effectively be both biblical and Nicene. Your response marks you as unconcerned with what the Bible says about these issues, and only Nicene. But chances are that you wouldn’t admit that to your congregation on Sunday morning. Tradition is indeed to be used to aid in the interpretation of Scripture, but Scripture remains primary as our written source. It is silly to criticize someone for insisting on biblical priority, without admitting that you give priority to a council led by a barely Christian emperor.

  11. Comment by Wilson Horick on March 1, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    The problem for your point of view is that the gospels do not record that Jesus ever condemned homosexuality. The closest he comes is his suggestion that male-female relationships are the natural order of things. But one must rely on inference to take this as a condemnation of loving, stable homosexual relationships between consenting adults. Either Jesus had nothing specific to say about homosexuality, or the gospel writers didn’t think his words on the subject merited inclusion in their stories of the good news. There’s also a problem with the argument that Jesus’ possible silence means agreement on this point with Old Testament Law. Leviticus not only condemned homosexual practice but mandated that homosexuals be put to death. So if you’re going to cite Leviticus for guidance, then logically you either have to favor the death penalty for LGBT people, or you’re picking and choosing selectively from scripture just as those who favor ordaining LGBT pastors are accused of doing.

  12. Comment by Deanna Cheatham on October 6, 2018 at 8:43 am

    Several friends submitted the survey you produced giving our opinions on intended changes to the Social Principles of the United Methodist Churches at the meetings in 2019 which are a forerunner to the General Conference. After completing the survey, and clicking “Submit”, there was no feedback, like “Thank you” or “Your Survey Was Successfully Submitted”. We are wondering if it truly was submitted. Could you let me know about this?

  13. Comment by John Smith on October 9, 2018 at 6:40 am

    I am one of those who believe the Bishops cannot self discipline. I do not, however, like the idea of a sex board to handle discipline them for a limited amount of offenses.
    1) By having a separate board that only handles “sexuality-morality matters” (by the way does this include adultery and fornication charges?) it renders true the charge from the “liberal” wing that this is all about sex and bigotry instead of the authority of scripture and faithfulness.
    2) If the Bishops can’t self discipline in sexual morality matters why assume they can in any other area?
    3) If this does come off any odds (oops the one thing all Methodists agree on-no gambling. But if
    you do win better be paying apportionment) on the harshest penalty will be retirement with full benefits?

  14. Comment by Bruce Willis on October 18, 2018 at 5:07 am

    All good points. I would like to point something out. As a former umc Pastor who has left for greener conservative Wesleyan pastures. It’s not going to matter one bit which plan they vote for because until the umc seminaries that have become breeding grounds for progressive liberal ideology nothing will change. For example let’s say a conservative umc church body has an appointment of a liberal progressive pastor it is made difficult by the current polity for that congregation to get rid of said pastor. This problem as Mr. Lambrecht so aptly stated is much deeper than just homosexuality.
    It is a systemic problem. The umc seminary system needs an overhaul.
    Umc churches need to not be basically forced to support them through apportionments.

  15. Comment by John Smith on October 19, 2018 at 6:11 am

    Yes, when a church gets saddled with a Pastor it doesn’t want it may be a difficult 2-3 year term for the Pastor but the church will often be a decade or longer trying to recover. Until there are enforced standards the UMC will continue to bicker itself into irrelevance (almost there) and oblivion.

  16. Comment by Ngoni on January 24, 2019 at 9:37 am

    There shall come a time when women will say marry us just for the sake of the name (Isaiah 4:1). Is this the route we want to take? I call this cheap grace, hence we should stand and say NO. We are Christians because of our lord Jesus Christ and we should adhere to his principles. My brothers and sisters, let’s keep this church holy. Let’s wait for the bridegroom in faithfulness, for Jesus is truly coming again. There are some of us tired to follow the faith and think that anything should be acceptable, I say NO, if one is tired sit down and we will assist you to walk rather than embracing things that are not scriptural. We should remain with our tough love, hevan is real and hell is real. Homosexuality is not compatible with scripture, and that’s it. We love sinners, but on the Parth or repentance. If people believe that it’s a way of life, then let them know that they have chosen a parth that Christ does not like, they must repent. Society has it that every individual has freedom to do whatever, but families have principles, communities uphold values, and that’s why the church keeps God’s statutes by clearly stating that “HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SCRIPTURE”. If this is not clear, then we have a big problem. If it means the denomination is going to die because it did not include homosexuals, then let it be so. It is not numbers, but the faithful shall live by faith, the few shall remain the seed for the truth. Lest we forget, many died for this faith, and they were not ashamed to speak the truth because of any powers, rulers or people. The modified traditional plan defines the UMC we have known, loved and cherish, the UMC we will forever defend and support, the church that is so relevant, with sound theology across the globe. I love this church, please bishops respect us, for we respected you and trusted you with this church that we so much love. UMC is our home, our refuge, our church. Open hearts, Open Minds, Open Doors, doesn’t mean that I follow sheepishly, it means I have love, with principles. If you don’t want to repent and be an agent of transformation, then stay there until Christ comes again. If Christianity was so easy a journey everyone could have done it. We have come a long way as a church and we can not lose our identity and integrity because we can’t say NO. You might read this message and think it’s so harsh or contains hate, No, I love all people created in God’s image, but anyone who, by any means, adopts a certain sinful lifestyle, has fallen short, but still has a chance to repent and follow Christ. Repent, repent, repent, and I say repent there is still a chance.

  17. Comment by Amanda on February 24, 2019 at 9:39 pm

    Are not all Bishops sinners? Why does it appear that homesexuality is a sin held with more weight than others? Are not all sins equal in god’s eyes? Are not we all sinners?

  18. Comment by sad on February 25, 2019 at 4:53 pm

    you are sad

  19. Comment by Robert on March 16, 2019 at 10:24 pm

    I agree with the Traditional plan as mentioned in this well written article. The General Conference has come and gone. There is a real problem perhaps unforeseen by United Methodists. That is that I live in a region where reporting of all of the local pastors is upwards through one superintendant and one bishop, both of whom supported the One Church plan and expressed publicly their disheartened and saddened hearts that it did not come to be that LGBTQIA+ people cannot be clergy nor can there be same sex marriage. So you can see where this leads. The pastors of all the local churches in this NTC conference are all toeing the line of the superintendant and the bishop. Since our pastor then is in line with the OCP, we (conservative traditional Methodists) are out. We’ve left the UMC denomination. We just came back a year ago after straying for many years. If we wanted to change our membership to another UMC nearby, it would be the same. So maybe the UMC didn’t count on even Traditional Plan Methodists leaving but we surely are. We will find another Church family that relies on Scripture to back up their worship. What a damn shame the UMC has fallen like this.

  20. Comment by John Wesley DeVilbiss, III on March 20, 2019 at 7:50 pm

    The Legislative Committee is the only body within the United Methodist Church that has the authority to modify the UMC Book of Discipline.

    That’s all there is to say. An Order has been followed, delegates travelled from all parts of the world to vote, and decisions have been made.

    This is not about conduct anymore. It is only about Discipline. It is about submitting to the Legislative Committee’s opportunity to decide difficult matters via the votes of delegates.

    If people only agree with the decision were they to win, then their heart is in the wrong place.

    Either respect the Book of Discipline, or throw it out. There’s no in between. Rebellious bishops are teaching rebelliousness and arrogance to their congregations. They should have never been ordained as bishops.

    Again, this matter is not about clergy’s behavior. It is about respect for the denomination’s Book of Discipline.

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